Curse

Cacheelma · Oct 19, 2010, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

How is making every outpost in the entire game obsolete a perfect solution? And what problem is this guy attempting to solve anyway?

The "this game has no global LFG system" problem that has been plagued this game since 2005?

It's not an ideal solution, but I'm glad they at least tried to do what they can and ACTUALLY realized how it should work, as opposed to the phone-in job that was the text-limited local LFG board of uselessness.

And the 1+all heroes party? Just icing on cake.

Chrisworld · Oct 19, 2010, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

The "this game has no global LFG system" problem that has been plagued this game since 2005?

It's not an ideal solution, but I'm glad they at least tried to do what they can and ACTUALLY realized how it should work, as opposed to the phone-in job that was the text-limited local LFG board of uselessness.

And the 1+all heroes party? Just icing on cake.

Are they removing the outposts from the game or something?

Killed u man · Oct 19, 2010, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

I can picture him kicking back with a cigar in his office watching his computer screen in either scenario, and for me, that's just gold.

If only we could have a wall of quotes here on guru. This is in my personal top 5. I love you KJ.

jensyea · Oct 19, 2010, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Best, news, everrrrrrrr!!!11!

Dark-NighT · Oct 19, 2010, 12:39 AM // 00:39

ROARRRRRRRRRRR 7 heroes Yes please!

Karate Jesus · Oct 19, 2010, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

If only we could have a wall of quotes here on guru. This is in my personal top 5. I love you KJ.

Seriously, this is all I can picture.

Oh, also, I have no idea what John Stumme looks like, so I made him the Monopoly Man.

Yawgmoth · Oct 19, 2010, 12:43 AM // 00:43

Full hero party kills the whole PvE for me, such a huge disappointment

I suddenly feel I completely stopped caring about what new content will they bring in Cantha. End this crap already and bring GW2.

What the game has always needed the most was a centralized grouping solution.
After so many years something that resembles that a bit may become reality but it's way too late and won't save the game from having way too many heroes available - from turning completely singleplayer.
Also, if it's just for missions then it's pretty sucky - it's Vanquishing (and also dungeons) that need this feature the most. Vanquishing has no ZQuests and it's practically impossible to find other people wanting to do the same areas as you.

The only truly optimistic thing there is more rewarding PvP - at least the only multiplayer activity to remain has a chance of not dying off due to constant population decrease.

dawnmist · Oct 19, 2010, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

What the game has always needed the most was a centralized grouping solution.
After so many years something that resembles that a bit may become reality but it's way too late and won't save the game from having way too many heroes available - from turning completely singleplayer.
Also, if it's just for missions then it's pretty sucky - it's Vanquishing (and also dungeons) that need this feature the most. Vanquishing has no ZQuests and it's practically impossible to find other people wanting to do the same areas as you.

The article did say you'd be able to travel to all Mission outposts from Embark Beach...not travel directly into the missions themselves. So I'd expect to be able to create vanquishing parties for almost everywhere with the party travelling to the nearest mission outpost to the area they want to vanquish.

I say almost everywhere, because places like the Temple of the Ages (8-person Kryta vanquishes) are not a mission outpost. Being as it is an "elite area" outpost though, it may be included in the list anyway.

Corpus Vitalis · Oct 19, 2010, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Embark Beach will be nice for those of us who started the War in Kryta content late so we can actually find other people to run around with, if we haven't filled our party with heroes!

Dark-NighT · Oct 19, 2010, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

Full hero party kills the whole PvE for me, such a huge disappointment

I suddenly feel I completely stopped caring about what new content will they bring in Cantha. End this crap already and bring GW2.

What the game has always needed the most was a centralized grouping solution.
After so many years something that resembles that a bit may become reality but it's way too late and won't save the game from having way too many heroes available - from turning completely singleplayer.
Also, if it's just for missions then it's pretty sucky - it's Vanquishing (and also dungeons) that need this feature the most. Vanquishing has no ZQuests and it's practically impossible to find other people wanting to do the same areas as you.

The only truly optimistic thing there is more rewarding PvP - at least the only multiplayer activity to remain has a chance of not dying off due to constant population decrease.

Why would it kill pve? it isnt very hard to do most things on hard mode with henchman, except for a few dungeons, elite missions and vanquishes. Im so excited i can go do Fow all by myself, and possibly Doa as well, the underworld might be a tricky one with heroes, but atleast i can go and try it, also makes Deep, Urgoz possible with 2 people.

Henchmen are fine for standard normal mode stuff, but so incredibly useless on some hard mode missions or dungeons, you would want 7 heroes to make a build that is suitable in any location, instead of having to rely on the static hench build, also if you dont go to PVX to copy the latest meta crap, you can have incredible fun building your own skillbars, just put some time in it, its 10x more rewarding then doing copy & paste of pvx.

Sirius Bsns · Oct 19, 2010, 01:02 AM // 01:02

People refuse to PUG to begin with, so even if 7 heroes remained unallowed, people will still rather H/H than group with real players regardless. So this addition puts the nail in the coffin to coop. and gives full freedom to explore this new possibility to all. Happy "7-Hero" hunting ya'll!

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Originally Posted by agrios

I'll be doing things like....everything

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7 Heroes will be really, really awesome!!
ANet just made me a happier person today !
I'm thinking about buying costumes just to show my gratitude!

Buy me a costume too, and show even moar appreciationz XD!

AngelWJedi · Oct 19, 2010, 01:16 AM // 01:16

i find the people who say pve will die if we have 7 heros laughable. did pve die when nf came out? NO! people still pugged stuff. if the heros didnt kill pve then what makes you think it will kill pve now? lols

now if only we could have a time zone for this stuff ill jump for joy.

Yawgmoth · Oct 19, 2010, 01:21 AM // 01:21

3 heroes + 4 hench was more than enough to do almost all Hard Mode stuff solo. There's no need for even more imba power to a solo player. There should rather be serious added benefits for playing with others so players would have an incentive to go through the trouble of grouping with others instead of loading their imba 7 heroes and facerolling almost all PvE.

Addition of heroes was already one of top 2 worst things to ever happen to PvE (it was a very common opinion back then, now the haters simply have quit so we don't hear their complaints anymore). And I was always saying that the correct maximum number of heroes per human player in a team should have been 2 - heroes should have been just replacements for missing players to make forming teams much faster instead of making everyone able to completely ignore others. Clearly Anet's going WRONG WAY - instead of fixing real problems like no grouping system or level 10 henchies in endgame content they ruin multiplayer. /epicfail

What other effect can you imagine happening than a dramatic decrease of the number of players willing to group with others? And who will be left to group, just noobs who don't even have 7 heroes yet and/or just looking for a free ride alongside someone?

Dratyan · Oct 19, 2010, 01:22 AM // 01:22

First they brought me back into the game by adding the GW2 calculator. Now they are trying to make me addicted to it, again! Can't wait for the new content!

awry · Oct 19, 2010, 01:24 AM // 01:24

hallelujah, i'm reinstalling the game

KotCR · Oct 19, 2010, 01:25 AM // 01:25

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

There should rather be serious added benefits for playing with others so players would have an incentive to go through the trouble of grouping with others instead of loading their imba 7 heroes and facerolling almost all PvE.

This has already been covered though - the added benefit of grouping with players is that you get more of those incredibly overpowered PvE only skills that heroes can't use. As a result, elite areas of the game in particular will STILL be done by teams full of real people.

Though TBH those PvE skills ruined the game more than heroes ever did - especially because they were linked to titles (encouraging elitism...which plays a big part in the reason players don't want to group with each other anymore).

I certainly approve of 7 heroes. While I can do most of the game's content with hero/hench anyway, it will make it a far less stressful and much more enjoyable experience for me.

dark_slayer · Oct 19, 2010, 01:26 AM // 01:26

Hell yea, 7 hero party's all the way. About time. All you haters can keep hatein.

MithranArkanere · Oct 19, 2010, 01:29 AM // 01:29

For me, 7 heroes doesn't mean just that people will more solo.

It also means that you can help one or two of your friend that only have Prophecies or Factions with 5 or 6 of your heroes, instead having to let in those stu... ahem... poor henchmen join to fill gaps.

HEROES are to fill gaps. Henchmen are just a last resort.

I also think they should add 6 heroes in Prophecies and 8 in Factions, 1 for each profession that has skills available on trainers in there.
Now that EotN has heroes, they are no longer Nightfall's exclusivity, just their 'specialty', since it wil lstill be giving you 15 heroes, much more than the others.

And the Beach... one of the best news ever. No better way to describe it.

I hope they allow trading in there, and let people of low level too even if they can't enter GToB, that way it would be a better trading outpost than Kamadan.

Centralization FTW!

NerfHerder · Oct 19, 2010, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

What the game has always needed the most was a centralized grouping solution.
Also, if it's just for missions then it's pretty sucky - it's Vanquishing (and also dungeons) that need this feature the most. Vanquishing has no ZQuests and it's practically impossible to find other people wanting to do the same areas as you.

I have a feeling Embark Beach will have a multitude of pugs looking for a plethora of PvE experiences, not just missions. I wouldnt give up hope until we see it in action.

I dont want to turn this into yet another "GW is dead, thar aint no pugs!" QQ thread. But, with the added HoM rewards my friends list hasnt been this full in a long time. I know I'm not the only one that has noticed this. With more content, comes returning players. And with those players, comes more pugs. Even adding MOAR Heros gives us MOAR Pugs. Content is content.

Yawgmoth · Oct 19, 2010, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by KotCR

This has already been covered though - the added benefit of grouping with players is that you get more of those incredibly overpowered PvE only skills that heroes can't use. As a result, elite areas of the game in particular will STILL be done by teams full of real people.

Though TBH those PvE skills ruined the game more than heroes ever did - especially because they were linked to titles (encouraging elitism...which plays a big part in the reason players don't want to group with each other anymore).

Incredibly overpowered PvE skills aren't good incentive enough as completing things a few minutes faster doesn't make up for the time and effort needed to form groups. Ofcourse that doesn't count the "elite" areas, those for obvious reasons will remain multiplayer, but screw that "show stones" kind of multiplayer.

I wonder WTF all the singleplayer-loving masses are doing in an online game... ruining it by making horrible votes.